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You can any time. I find this funny, because in some of the phone exchange threads, men had said they just give their first initially, and the women responded, that women don't do the calling... And I've never seen him go back and forth trying to trash women on here for wanting to be safe.

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Lately, with online dating, when it came to the phone call and meeting..... One said she won't even give out her until they've met first meet. She said one guy got irritated with her, when he was on the phone with her making arrangements to meet, and on the call he asked for her number then, only because he felt when they would arrive, he could contact her in case someone got lost or something. He backed out of meeting her, simply because I'm assuming it was emasculating for him or something. Or just went with his gut, and figured that this wasn't normal for dating. I am all for it, since it's a safety issue, and two people meeting online as strangers, but I hear some guys are not cool with this because it interferes with the traditional male courtship process. As men, should we feel more inclined to co-operate in these cases if we want a date? I find this funny, because in some of the phone exchange threads, men had said they just give their first initially, and the women responded, that women don't do the calling... But when put into action, I find it interesting in MY experiences, they called me only when I asked for their Lately, with online dating, when it came to the phone call and meeting..... I too do this and here's why... I exchanged e-mail for a while with someone on here. Just a few days. And he asked me to call and I did. He mentioned the blocked number and I explained that I would like at least one conversation before handing out my number. He seemed damn insulted by it but thank goodness I stuck to my view. Over the 20 minute call, to get to know each other better, he told me about his heart surgery 6 months ago, how he had run out of benefits as work and lost his job and income, how his unemployment benefits were about to expire, that in the next month he needed to find a cheaper place to live already in a lower priced rental area , that he used the library internet connection because his land line and internet TV were cut off and so on. The only questions he asked me were regarding being a homeowner, number of bedrooms here, how many bathrooms, you're getting the picture. All materialistic questions and none about 'me'. Following the call, I messaged him, wishing him luck and saying that at this stage, I thought he had more then enough to deal with - and the abuse started. At first an PM calling me a 'fair weather b1tch'. Now, it's one thing to 'stand by your man' but another thing to be expected to finance a complete stranger. So I blocked him. He set up a new profile and sent another. The loop lasted a while. Can you imagine if he had my number? A number which I run a home business from? I know not all men are like this but taking these precautions, even if it avoids one, is worth it - but no, not all men are cool with it. I've never had anyone abuse my number except for an ex-friend female because she was paranoid that her ex-boyfriend was interested in me. But that's another story. My point is, it's probably very rare for anyone to be a stalker once you give them your number. Most people feel like they're interfering if they call you and then don't even call when they said they would. If it's a safety issue, then buy a prepaid cell phone to use only for contact with online dating. If I give a woman my phone number, I expect to receive hers. I expect to be able to make calls, as well as receive them. If I can't call her, I'll just pass and tell her I'm not interested. The same goes for women who won't give their phone number until the in-person first meeting. If they're that paranoid about it, they shouldn't even be dating. I expect to be able to talk to someone first to determine if meeting in person isn't a total waste of my time. I then want to get a sense of that person, either on the phone or the meet date about whether they are safety minded, or paranoid. There's a fine line there, one side is fine, the other is trouble down the road. Some are not meant for using this medium to date or meet people, they should stick to IRL. If I give a woman my phone number, I expect to receive hers. I expect to be able to make calls, as well as receive them. If I can't call her, I'll just pass and tell her I'm not interested. I agree that at some point if you're dating you're going to have to exchange numbers but all the men I've met online have been very sensitive to women's feelings about safety and very respectful about the whole number thing. On the other hand I don't give my number out very often-I'm very careful about it so maybe my being cautious has helped me have better experiences when I have given my number. I've never had any man care about me calling from a blocked number. Sometimes it takes a few dates before the crazy comes out so again it's a matter of deciding whether or not to give the person your number. I can't change my number because I use it for work and I can't possibly contact all the people who have it to change it. I have a number of cell phones and numbers. Most are business related. But I have one for personal use as well. Now from time to time, I have thought about the need for a dating phone, but have failed to act on it. Perhaps it's the optomist in me, who keeps thinking, the person for me is right around the corner. Even given that though, unless someone was bat-sh1t crazy, I wouldn't need to worry. Now for women, it's a different thing, many claim guys are crazy, obsessive and angry. If that is how a woman views online dating, I often wonder why they do it? So if a big part of a womans concern is what kind of men are so crazy, why wouldn't they for 20 or 25 dollars a month, buy a throw away cell phone for dating? I mean it speaks to their issues, adds a degree of safety at a minimum cost. The cost is less than a few drinks in a bar per month. This rids them of the problem. No woman could possibly be that cheap, as to utilize this as an easy solution could they? I haven't worked during that time except from home since I'm on crutches so yeah, we're not all as blessed as you to have extra money for several cell phones for internet dates. As I said I've been lucky enough to have chosen polite, respectful men who didn't care one way or the other about my calling from blocked numbers and the few I've given my number too so far have all been fantastic-no problems. I'll continue to trust my intuition and my judgement of character in general. Reading some of these responses I'm even more impressed with the men I've interacted with. They certainly look good compared to some on here. No way to contact them. You dont have to talk for hours every day. Just dont answer the phone or let it go to message. Or ask them not to call. A prepaid phone is the way to go for sure. Then if they stalk or harrass with messages it doesnt interfere with your main communications and you know who would be ringing. I find this funny, because in some of the phone exchange threads, men had said they just give their first initially, and the women responded, that women don't do the calling... Who pissed in your cheerios? Again why the hostility? I'm happy for you that your judgement was good. Most of the responses I read, were agreeing to having their number blocked for the womens safety. We just suggested alternatives. I will attribute your ill manners to pain or feeling outside pressure resulting from your medical issues. Although, if your gonna post angry posts, try and keep the facts straight. IMHO It mean they feel they are more safe than me, that I might be the one with a problem... I have had two guys call me from a block number and on hindsight they both at the time had no pic in their profile so later on it dawned on my... I also have the advantage that I can block a number from calling me with my carrier... I generally don't give my number until after meeting. I'm not interested in talking to someone for hours a day endlessly, which is what some guys want to do believe it or not. If someone wants to meet they will set a time and a place, if they don't they will want to talk about this pretend meeting from now til infinity. That way one person can notify the other person in case he or she is late due to work, traffic, getting lost, prior committments ending later than expected etc. Or less likely but still possible one person may need to cancel or postpone the date at the last minute. Without your number, the other person may not be able to contact you. I usually allow for several emails, then when I think she is comfortable, I offer mine and tell her to use it and block hers, when she feels the time is right. Now if she decides we are going to email for 2 or 3 months, I simply stop at some point answering the emails. There is no point in trying to move forward IMO , we were just penpals. As for phone buddies, no thanks, I have lots of pals. I can call them anytime. I'm here to date. She maybe a 12 year old girl, having fun with her friends, playing on the internet. She may have a voice like popeye, or elmer fudd, that ain't sexy. In addition, you can write, rewrite and rewrite again an email. On the phone you get to hear them react without time to come up with a BS answer. The reason is because anyone i've ever met who i didn't get to talk on the phone with beforehand turned out to be a psycho... I can get a very good sense of personality, sense of humour, and potential for chemistry in a simple 5 minute phone call. If they refuse any of the above than i just cease all contact. I don't like wasting my time on people who aren't worth it. When you've agreed to meet, and say if she gets lost. This one woman, when I was on my way to the location to meet up with her, I just assumed she knew her way. Well, not in this case, when I arrived, she wasn't there.... So I think a number should be given, just in case we loose our way to the dating venue. So I'm thinking if she gets lost, I have to WAIT on her to call me if she is? Another woman did the same thing, asked for my number, set a time to call, and she never called. One even wouldn't tell me her first name! There is such thing as overdoing it, you know. I often get guys giving me their numbers early in conversation. I don't usually use it because they have generally given it to me before I am ready and some how that doesn't usually work out for one reason or another. Not giving out my phone number right away has not caused a problem. There have been times when I was definitely glad that I did not once I found out more about the person upon meeting. I don't give out my number until after first meeting. Perhaps you should reconsider this, perhaps re-arrange the parameters of the phone call.... My recent experience led to a bit of an inconvenience just prior to the date. At least when it gets to the point of making the actual date to meet in person. I never meet someone, until I least talk to them first. I have to go with Oy Vey though, if a woman is going to make it difficult for a guy, by simply not exchange 's, perhaps online dating isn't for her. I will stand by my statements. Though I will say, you are a better man than I. Perhaps, there is something else to make clear here. This is a lopsided medium for both men and women. Communication is the key, to it's working. Women fear for their safety, men for their time. Few men well sane men want to force a meeting 15 minutes after communication starts, but they also don't wish to become penpals either. The better man concept I spoke of, is I won't tolerate, someone who doesn't understand how this works, is late or a time waster. Life is too short, the guidelines on this pretty clear. Someone who shows up late without notice well before is rude, plain and simple. If I can get there 15-20 minutes early, they can arrive no more than 5 minutes late. If they cannot talk on the phone, they either have something to hide, or are playing games, move on. This is the same with emails as well, if I send a half page email and get back 8 words, she gets a pass on the first one, second time bye bye. If a woman has an issue with these guidelines, IMO she shouldn't online meet, that doesn't mean there isn't some silly guys who will abide that sh1t. For me, it's on to the next one, and yes, sometimes it bothers me, because I wonder if under different circumstances, it would have been a good match. But there is a razor thin line in this medium, on most issues, safety, time, and manners. Which was such a kind gesture. I don't remember if I gave him my number from the beginning because he's just a trustworthy person so maybe. He's the kind of person who respects boundaries and gives women the chance to feel comfortable. No hostility, no angry posts with snoring icons if you're so bored with the convo then why respond? Before took off his pics he seemed to have quite a fan club and I can see why he's been successful with women. And I've never seen him go back and forth trying to trash women on here for wanting to be safe. So thank God, there are some great guys on here because reading some of the posts on here you wouldn't think so. And they only look better in comparison.